Psychology

» pink101 - part B

In response to part B posted by pink101:
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Actually, I appreciate your critique quite a bit.
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Perhaps it points to the fact that there is such a small amount of directed discussion in these various threads.
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And, the resulting problems may have something to do with our purposes for coming here in the first place. I did give that idea that I was more like BJ than some others some thought before I wrote it in the first place. I AM more like him in some sense of the the word; but, I am far different in other ways. Can we explore every nuance? Would we want to if we could?
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It gets to be a puzzle, doesn't it?
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-- posted by pink101

» HeadZenCards - choosing that guy

In response to choosing that guy posted by LauriePK:

I like pie.

I used to like the guy who makes some really fine pie, but I'm beginning to wonder about him.

At one time the pie guy said some fairly odd things about honoring the will of his father.

His father was fairly powerful and popular at one time. He advised that his followers utterly destroy the infants and sucklings of bad people.

Someone I've run into recently finds peace and comfort in choosing to follow the will of the child murderer's son because she likes pie, too.

I still like pie, but Dr. Laurie, do you think it wise for my friend and me to buy it from someone who has no problem with a person who advises infanticide at times?

Not ALL the time. He only advises it SOMETIMES.

All the sane people I know seem to think we should get our pie elsewhere.

-- posted by HeadZenCards

» redback - part B

In response to part B posted by pink101:

i"I know that I hold ideals that many others don't much care about."

You mentioned 'mindset' before..an interesting concept..I'll get back to it. First, part of my problem is any Reader's Digest condensed version may miss out on the substance of the dag within. ABC

Among other places, I come from a place where it was answer outcome-focused. Where the "daily grind" started with the premise the presented facts may be exaggerated if not false or incompetent or despite tragic truth, the answer may still be 'NO'. So, enjoyable social dalliances aside here, I'm more focused with outcomes rather than trying to second-guess or devalue the mindsets of posters. 'Where do we go from here' and 'process and program' are my recurring oft unstated themes.

A true story..happened over coffee today..yep at the coffee shop. (y'know my dalliances in suite101 ) A fella, 75 years old, an active Mason. He reminded me of you.
We talk of my suite101 "experiences" on occasions. He asks me today: "Am I allowed to move permanently to Vietnam?" Being suite-minded, we talk about "free choice" etc without 30 posts supervening.

Cutting a long conversation short, his "Am I allowed" decoded to being worried about losing his Age Pension etc. I could re-assure him twas not so. He believes in the power of prayer. I gave him your Hagee example ie the power of Hagee prEying on those with a belief in the power of prayer. He believes he's also manipulated until, on reflection he said it wasn't happening but he can see the risks. Sorry...I do see some 'pink' in Jim's cheek.

I do things despite (not because of) what the government etc says I should do. It's attitudinal not civil unrest. I baulk at tones of instruction. Generalisations frequently equate to exaggerations or are so loose, they become meaningless to me. Mankind loves fish & chips? I am offered ("manifest") examples I whizzed through at school. Etc.

I read your initial response to part B: "You're probably more correct in your conclusions than you are wrong." before AND after I remove all my questions to see what 'conclusions' if any remain and those that could be wrong or seen to be wrong. Why do I bother could be a possible thought?

Have you heard of continuous performance improvement which was my daily diet OR "being fed crumbs"? Useless advocacy? Zero based management perhaps. Click here if interested.

So, I'm at a place where while I don't have your experiences I have MANY more experiences than whatever passes for average here. BTW: how many thousand people have you interviewed? I've worked on where the "world" could be heading in 10 years time and other more fascinating stuff that reminds me to work on my autobiography elsewhere, not here. ABC

We're still not talking the same language but let's give it a shot. I'm skilled at extending the benefit of the doubt as far as 'fair dinkum' is concerned.

There many things I care about.

-- posted by redback

» pink101 - part B

In response to part B posted by redback:
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We grow where we're planted.
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I wonder what it's like to be an Australian.
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I've known so many Canadians and have always had a hard time telling the difference between them and Americans. I suppose there's not much difference between any of us; American, Australian, Canadian or any others.
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-- posted by pink101

» redback - part B

In response to part B posted by pink101:

"I suppose there's not much difference between any of us; American, Australian, Canadian or any others."

And whatever difference does exist, need it...be negative..or relevant..? "We grow where we're planted." YEP..not nitpicking here but that's about perceptions..about being rooted. Am I planted in this poor western suburbs, in Australia...or Earth. There's supposed to be a new breed existing now who don't call any one country home. Citizens of Earth or whatever they call themselves. Do you accept that concept? I question it at some levels.

As I mentioned in the 'suicide' topic, I have to reduce my posts. There's a great risk of me being indulgent and within all that gumph above, my own hardest taskmaster, is me.

You mentioned ideals you care about. Wanna pick one to start with?

-- posted by redback

» pink101 - part B

In response to part B posted by redback:
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I think we--civilization's children--are in a transitional stage right now. We're on the cusp changing from one age to another. Postmodernism came down hard on everything that came before and just about blew it all away.
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What we're dealing with now are things like die-hard-religionists that never wanted to give up on the Dark Ages which were so convenient to the churches. People could be chained to a stake and burned to death in preparation of going to Hell--just so the bystanders could get a good taste of what it meant to burn in Hell for eternity. There are all kinds of carry-overs that we are having a hard time letting go. We want to put an end to things like germ rand stem cell research by way of our laws--corercing others to believe what our religion teaches us to believe.
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But, we will move intot he next age. At least, some of us will. And, we will, eventually, leave the Dark Ages behind us once and for all time.
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-- posted by pink101

» pink101 - part B--Corrected

In response to part B posted by pink101:
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I hate it when I make typos and don't correct them. Here is the corrected version of the above post:
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I think we--civilization's children--are in a transitional stage right now. We're on the cusp changing from one age to another. Postmodernism came down hard on everything that came before and just about blew it all away.
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What we're dealing with now are things like die-hard-religionists that never wanted to give up on the Dark Ages which were so convenient to the churches. People could be chained to a stake and burned to death in preparation of going to Hell--just so the bystanders could get a good taste of what it meant to burn in the agonies of Hell for eternity. Crowds gathered to see these burnings and the screams, cries and pleadings of the condemned must have been horrible. There are all kinds of carry-overs that we are having a hard time in letting them go. We want to put an end to things like abortions, stem cell research, and other practices by way of legislation, judges and promulgations. Thus, we forcefully coerce others to believe what our religion teaches us to believe--we want everyone to be in bondage to what which binds us so securely.
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But, we will move into the next age--like it or not. At least, some of us will. And, we will, eventually, leave the Dark Ages behind us for once and for all time. That's a time we can hope will arrive sooner than later.
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-- posted by pink101

» Laurie Pawlik-Kienlen - the new breed

In response to part B posted by redback:

One term is Third Culture Kids; people who spent their childhood moving around from country to country. They don't have a "set" home. Sometimes they don't identify with the culture on their passport.

» redback - the new breed

In response to the new breed posted by LauriePK:

Maybe the term '3rd Culture Kids' is the label they're given rahter than proudly wear??? On reflection, I was thinking the self-labelling 'world citizen'? The ultra citizen akin to the ultra male or whatever. I'm curious what ideals they hold, is all.

In any event, by whatever label, in the context of what Pink was posting, the label doesn't always suit all levels of purpose.

In my career, I believed the success of the program was more important than me. My ideals were not planted geographically...or if they were..were planted despite the weedkillers etc.

-- posted by redback

» redback - part B

In response to part B posted by pink101:

I don't know how to easily translate your post into my language. You use terms and tone not in my usual lexicon. We're talking of ideals others care less about (than you) right?

My feeling is the world is always changing. For better or worse is truth-in-waiting. And it's changing for a complex mix of reasons. Trying to develop real new strategies or tinker at the edges or "do the ostrich" is as old as time itself, I suspect.

Resistance to change comes in many forms. We have to get the latest x or we'll be left behind. Re-badging old systems, beliefs, practices, ideals even coffee shop layouts etc with new buzz words for the new generation, competes with real reform. And political correctness along with other ideals, has been bastardised.

How do we develop our different perspectives? Because our experiences are different or we don't understand what's going on around us? Because our perspective needs more supernatural intervention...or less?

There are many streams of change, it seems to me. You consistently example religionism by any number of terms, as a concern in that. Where would that rate if everyone listed their top 3.

"We want to put an end to things like germ rand stem cell research"

Sometimes the simple majority rule of democracy sucks, eh? Imagine the arrogance of the leaders among us who aim for what they believe is needed rather than what we want. And when have 'we' ever had unanimous on all things that matter. AND in context, 'leader' does not equate or is limited to politicians.

Gottao go. This suite101 hassle and being kicked off the internet...7 times yesterday, makes me wish for the Dark Ages. OK..I'm joking! ABC lol

-- posted by redback