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Psychologytalking 'bout Jesus
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In another thread, Pink says: We are who we are because of all the choices we have made up and until this moment. What other force could possibly have had an effect on who it is that we have come to be? If we chose Jesus it is because he is presented to us as an option. Otherwise, we don't know about him. . That's when we come face to face with the question, What is the value of making a choice for Jesus? Why? What are the issues involved? Forget all the falderow of doctrine, etc.. . Is this a place where one might expect to get a reasoned answer to an honest question?
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» pink101 - Choosing Anything At All In response to choosing that guy posted by LauriePK:. It's not only our choices who make us who we are; it's our personalities and experiences, which are often not what we choose. . But, how do we get our personalities and experiences? . Some people, in their passion, made choices that--in the final analysis--resulted in me. I was born into an environment in which others made continual choices that had continual affects on my personality and experiences wether I wanted those effects or not made no difference. What I learned in school was not outside the choices that were offered me. But, eventually, I came to a place where I made efforts to satisfy my interests by making choices of and on my own. At least I thought I did. But, all my choices were only regarding those options which have been made available to me. The same is true for you. It's the way it is for everyone. . Psychologists must have a methodology in place for discussing such an idea as free will. . -- posted by pink101 » redback - Choosing Anything At All In response to Choosing Anything At All posted by pink101:I'm struggling with this one so need your help. Roughly paraphrasing this and other posts elsewhere...on the one hand you say it's our choices that make us what we are..on the other, we have no options or access to identical choices...or they were delayed beyond our wish or the selection is pre-ordained or limited in some way or the choices 'we' are making aren't really real. If I understand your 'uncoded' post? Laurie states our personalities and experiences are often not what we choose. From my welfare experience, many people say "I had no choice" when they in fact had options regardless of how unpleasant or hard the decisions needed may be or the consequences of any compromises made. An immediate choice or the countless made in the lead-up...the opportunity cost of a choice foregone. Many many things may make up global humanity...far, far less IMO make up me...unless we explore unbid external energy forces of whatever kind. I didn't choose to be fed when born so there are many choices others make that sit fully naturally with me even if I can't participate. 'Choice'covers: the act of choosing; power of choosing; the person or thing chosen etc And here's the rub! I have absolutely no doubt Pink knows these things but I'm a sucker for attempting answers without fear or favour. And then there's Jesus added to the equation. Where's the falderal we should separate from the wheat? Falderal??** Lah-de-dah! My post is probably "meaningless syllables"** if once again, I can't connect the dots here. ABC -- posted by redback » redback - Jesus In response to Choosing Anything At All posted by redback:
"What is the value of making a choice for Jesus? Why? What are the issues involved?" I have no idea, falderal & religiosity aside, within a pysychology environment, how to take the term: "making a choice for Jesus." Is it all part of the opportunity costs we bear throughout life? I also hear about Islam etc. The same questions apply. A friction between the process and the program when we link belief to consequence. What are the consequences of a false belief and what is a false belief? Are both Christianity and Islam true beliefs and with what consequence? Tis other posters you need for responses, methinks, sorry. -- posted by redback » pink101 - Choosing Anything At All In response to Choosing Anything At All posted by redback:. I think I may have misread Laurie's point about personalities and experience. . I agree with her remark on that. . Maybe I should use the idea of limited choice. Why do people on welfare keep making the wrong choices? Were they cultivated to do that? Why do successful people keep making the choices that lead to more success? Were they cultivated to do that? . An ancient Roman wrote, "Homo sum; humani nihil a me alienum puto," or, "I am a man. Nothing human is foreign to me.". . I guess my point is that we only have choices from what is made available to us. I don't think of it as any big revelation. . -- posted by pink101 » pink101 - Jesus In response to Jesus posted by redback:. If Jesus doesn't mean anything to us relative to our societal situation, then what does it mean to us if we "choose" Jesus? . I think the word, relevant, enters the picture here. . Is choosing Jesus all about having good luck? . -- posted by pink101
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» redback - '20 questions'? In response to Jesus posted by pink101:"I guess my point is that we only have choices from what is made available to us." This silly bugger read your post as if you weren't getting a fair dinkum response outside Laurie's page. Hence the repeated 'sorry'! The above quote of yours is not a statement in a vacuum I guess is the first point I'd make in response having read countless posts by you. Having made the point about 'choice' whatever you mean by that term, it goes no deeper than burgers and pizza"??? OK...we can now play with "limited choice" 'made available to us' but I've lost the sense of it in context with what I thought was the purpose of your post. We can't go to the planet Dag because there is no planet? It is manifestly obvious to me that if I walk into a store that only sells apples AND I have enough money with me at the time...I either buy apples...or not. The store could offer a free apple/s, I could rob the place etc etc. Earlier, I could choose not to walk into the store or even leave home. And Laurie, we can play similar examples with the overlapping choices involved in pizza and burgers alone or bring in others. I can't connect the dots to 'Jesus' whatever you mean by that term nor to the term "choose". Yes, there have been mention made of Jesus in my life as well as Islam etc as per my first post. Forget all the falderow of doctrine, etc.. has to limit my responses on the why of life in that context. I really thought my posts sought more. "Why do people on welfare keep making the wrong choices?" Do they really? I certainly did not state that...nowhere near it so you simply replace my opinion with conflicting questions. What is meant by "wrong"? Do people on and off welfare always make the "right" or best choices in their lives for every important and unimportant decision they have to make or want to make...or don't make? And once we get that answer, take it back to the purpose of the post...and give me feedback. Is there such a thing as the power of positive thinking or is it all like as Hagee-based, scam based? And if it truly exists, is it not an inner power under our control etc etc. Do our choices even if 'limited' whatever that term means, exceed our physical and etc capacity to accept anyway? If it was all simply about asking why we should or shouldn't accept "Jesus as our personal saviour" twas surely convoluted. BUT at the moment, totally happy to not understand the point you are making. As you note in my apologetic 2nd post, you'll really have to get the answers you say you seek, from other posters. -- posted by redback « Previous 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next » Please follow the guidelines set forth in the Suite101 Posting Etiquette when adding to the discussion. |
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