Psychology

» Laurie Pawlik-Kienlen - Long Term & Short Term Goals

In response to Long Term & Short Term Goals posted by Migisi:

I think our dream list does change due to our choices & circumstances. For instance, getting pregnant may cause mothers and fathers to put their dreams on hold until they can focus on them. That would be your priorities changing, Migisi -- but the changes may only be temporary.

Knowing I only have a few decades left on earth (if I'm lucky) makes me want to get up earler and accomplish more each day!

Maybe those are 2 reasons parents sometimes live vicariously through their children: they couldn't achieve their own goals, and they think they don't have enough time.

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» Migisi - Long Term & Short Term Goals

In response to Long Term & Short Term Goals posted by LauriePK:

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I agree with what you've said.
And physical limitations often accompany age. A man may have always dreamed of being a major league pitcher, but at 50 years old, it's highly unlikely it could even happen for him. That's a hard pill to swallow for some. We call it a 'mid-life crisis' when an older man tries to realize dreams too late in life - trying to make up for lost time.

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» pink101 - Not A Professional Educator

In response to Long Term & Short Term Goals posted by Migisi:
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Since I'm not a professional educator, I'm not qualified to create a curriculum for teaching grade school children the habit of long term goal setting coupled with appropriate plans.
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But, there are people who can develop such educational programs.
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My point isn't to turn a first grade child's dreams into some long term goal. Instead, it is to teach them the habit of setting goals--to show them how long term plans work.
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Once a person has established a long term goal, all subsequent choices are already made in the light of the plan that accompanies the goal.
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Of course, such a curriculum would not fit in with the elitists who do not work for a living. Why don't they work? Because they have money that works for them. Their children are taught to be shrewd and how to play power games. Of course they learn the necessities of reading, writing, and arithmetic. But, all they need to do is to learn how to have some financial counselor handle their investments while they spend their summers in St. Morittz and their winters in Tahiti.
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» Migisi - Not A Professional Educator

In response to Not A Professional Educator posted by pink101:

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I do think most school kids have a grasp of goals. My kids did plan and work towards that good grade on their report card at the end of the semester. That's a 'long-range' goal to a kid. And my kids planned and worked towards buying their first car, tuition for college, their first house, etc. I guess what I'm saying is that if we parents don't hand everything to our kids, but instead help them achieve their goals by themselves, they'll be better equipped to achieve their dreams.
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You're right, we can't change a kid's dream into a long-range goal because their dreams change almost daily. Even college students change their majors midterm as their dreams change. Many I know obtained degrees in one field only to return to college later to major in something entirely different. I did that myself. And I might do it again before I die. I suppose we'd have to determine what a long-range goal is, no? For some, it may only be five years?

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» pink101 - Only Be Five Years

In response to Not A Professional Educator posted by Migisi:
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"For some, it may only be five years?"
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Actually, in the way I see things, a five year plan fits perfectly with a long range goal.
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I talked with a professional educator regarding what I've said here. This professional told me that this IS the purpose of many educators. She also told me that the journey itself is at least 50% of the goal for a child. Children don't have a perception of time as yet when they're in the early years. It is the duty of the educator--partly--to teach the children the idea of goal setting and achievement according to my friend.
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» Migisi - Only Be Five Years

In response to Only Be Five Years posted by pink101:

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Long and short range goal-setting is often the function of a team - the school guidance counselor, parent, and student. And it also involves a panel of school professionals in learning-challenged cases. It does work well when all parties are on the same page. However, the plan has to have some flexibility to allow for growth and perhaps a change in direction if the plan isn't working for the student. But I think that's true for every goal, no matter the age of the dreamer.
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At the countless conferences I've participated in, we set semester goals, as well as school year goals. This was done for my mainstreamed sons as well as for my special needs daughter.
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» pink101 - All Of Which

In response to Only Be Five Years posted by Migisi:
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All of which makes me think of what the four year college course that ends in a bachelor's degree is all about.
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Students, generally, don't know what their major is going to be when the enter college. So, the first two years are designed to help them get the "sea legs" so to speak.
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I guess my whole point here is that we would do better if we put the idea of education up as being more specifically related to the processes of goal achievement. That is, that we should make goal setting and goal achievement as the purpose of education.
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I don't know. I'm only saying things as they appear to me.
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» pink101 - In MY MInd

In response to All Of Which posted by pink101:
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In my mind, the K-12 school system is an ideal set up for teaching goal achievement--journey with its benchmarks and milestones and all else that goes along with it.
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The only thing wrong with it in that sense is that the students aren't let in on the idea that the 12 of the K-12 is representative of a goal. Instead, they see it as a finish line where they'll be release into adulthood. Everybody sing it, "Schools out, shcools out, teacher let the fools out....." I'm not saying that some families aren't teaching their children the idea of goals in the process. My point is about the school and its curriculum.
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Seems like educators should be a little more savvy than what they show themselves to be.
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You taught marketing? What? The whole thing or some specialty? I've done a lot of study on the concept of target marketing. I also am considered somewhat of an expert in telemarketing. (Notice, I italicized, somewhat.)
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» Migisi - In MY MInd

In response to In MY MInd posted by pink101:

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Print advertising, product and service marketing, mixed media ad campaigns and coordination, point of purchase displays, billboards, small business development, copy writing and editing, graphic arts... that kinda stuff.

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» Laurie Pawlik-Kienlen - In MY MInd

In response to In MY MInd posted by Migisi:

So many possiblities for discussion!

One of the best ways to teach kids to set goals is to role model them --- ie, for parents and teachers to set their own goals, and work towards them openly. Also setting goals as a family is beneficial, such as money in the piggy bank or reading a chapter an evening together.

I taught for 3 years; if we as teachers are open about our curricular goals, then the kids will learn that they're reaching goals just by learning and moving forward.

I think I'll start a new discussion, about resolutions....

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